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預設 關於0day dvdrip,dvdscr和中文字幕的一些常識

老美有點名氣電影的dvdrip一般是在dvd發行前10~30天出來,大多數都是CLSC和RCNT..絕大多數片子都是這樣,
片源有專門的Supplier的,能否拿到隨機性比較大
和片子是否熱門本身關係並不大
不過大多數情況下,片子越熱門,各小組會越拚命的
大家可以自己算算時間,不要電影上映才幾個星期就大叫dvdrip有沒有了,而好萊塢發行dvd一般要等3個月後甚至更長
(0day沒出dvdrip之前bt,ed上的dvdrip下載不要信他,99.999%是假的)


dvdscr以後可能會很少見到了,但一些小成本影片和獨立製作影片還是能看到高素質的dvdscr,今年奧斯卡這段時間就流出不少獨立影片的dvdscr品質不錯,但大片卻一個沒有,主要是給評審的都成了vhs


字幕呢,大多數人肯定只看帶中文字幕的影片,國外有些grp都不rip英文字幕,所以翻譯要等到dvdr出來。所以一個品質好的中文字幕至少也要等上一個星期吧(有些字幕組會在ts,tc版出來時聽譯字幕,配合dvdrip出來後快速發佈中文字幕)
btw.關於字幕的事不太懂,誰大量補充下
DivX 術語解釋(新版)


CAM -
A cam is a theater rip usually done with a digital video camera. A mini tripod is sometimes used, but a lot of the time this wont be possible, so the camera make shake. Also seating placement isn't always idle, and it might be filmed from an angle. If cropped properly, this is hard to tell unless there's text on the screen, but a lot of times these are left with triangular borders on the top and bottom of the screen. Sound is taken from the onboard microphone of the camera, and especially in comedies, laughter can often be heard during the film. Due to these factors picture and sound quality are usually quite poor, but sometimes we're lucky, and the theater will be fairly empty and a fairly clear signal will be heard.

CAM通常是用數位攝像機從電影院盜錄。有時會使用小三角架,但大多數時候不可能使用,所以攝像機會抖動。同時由於放攝像機的座位並非總是空的,使得有時拍攝不是水準的。如果後期剪裁很好,這很難看出,除非螢幕下方有字幕。由
於聲音是從攝像機內已含有麥克風錄製,所以經常會錄到觀眾的笑聲等聲音,尤其是喜劇片。因為這些因素,圖像和聲音品質通常都很差。但有時很幸運電影院相當空,這樣會錄到好一些的聲音。


TELESYNC (TS) -
A telesync is the same spec as a CAM except it uses an external audio source (most likely an audio jack in the chair for hard of hearing people). A direct audio source does not ensure a good quality audio source, as a lot of background noise can interfere. A lot of the times a telesync is filmed in an empty cinema or from the projection booth with a professional camera, giving a better picture quality. Quality ranges drastically, check the sample before downloading the full release. A high percentage of Telesyncs are CAMs that have been mislabeled.

除了使用外置的音源(一般是影院座椅上為聽力不好的人設的耳機孔),TELESYSNC(TS) 和CAM的標準是相同的。這個直接的音源並不能保證是好的音源,這是它因為受到很多背景噪音的干擾。很多時候TS是在空的影院錄製,或是用專業攝像機在投影室錄製,所以圖像品質可能比CAM好。品質的起伏可能很大,在下載前最好檢視SAMPLE。很大比例的TS是從CAM錯誤標記成。


TELECINE (TC) -
A telecine machine copies the film digitally from the reels. Sound and picture should be very good, but due to the equipment involved and cost telecines are fairly uncommon. Generally the film will be in
correct aspect ratio, although 4:3 telecines have existed. A great example is the JURASSIC PARK 3 TC done last year. TC should not be confused with TimeCode , which is a visible counter on screen throughout the film.

TELECINE (TC) 使用電視電影機從膠片直接數字拷貝,其圖像和聲音品質應該很好。但由於使用的設備和費用很高,TC很少見。通常會使用正確的高寬比,但有時也有4:3的TC。去年的侏羅紀公園III是一個很好的例子。不應將TC和TimeCode(時間碼)混淆,時間碼是一個在螢幕上可見的計數器。


SCREENER (SCR) -
A pre VHS tape, sent to rental stores, and various other places for promotional use. A screener is supplied on a VHS tape, and is usually in a 4:3 (full screen) a/r, although letterboxed screeners are sometimes found. The main draw back is a "ticker" (a message that scrolls past at the bottom of the screen, with the copyright and anti-copy telephone number). Also, if the tape contains any serial numbers, or any other markings that could lead to the source of the tape, these will have to be blocked, usually with a black mark over the section. This is sometimes only for a few seconds, but unfortunately on some copies this will last for the entire film, and some can be quite big. Depending on the equipment used, screener quality can range from excellent if done from a MASTER copy, to very poor if done on an old VHS recorder thru poor capture equipment on a copied tape. Most screeners are transferred to VCD, but a few attempts at SVCD have occurred, some looking better than others.

SCREENER(SCR)是在電影發行VHS錄像帶之前送到錄像出租店及其他地方用做促銷目的。SCREENER使用VHS錄像帶,通常使用4:3(全螢幕)的高寬比,但有時也會有LETTERBOXED(1.85:1寬銀幕) SCREENER. 主要的缺點是有「TICKER」(在螢幕下
方滾動的消息,包含版權和反盜版電話號碼)。同時,如果錄像帶包含任何序列號或可以導致查出錄像帶來源的記號,這些記號必須被遮掉,通常使用一個黑斑遮住上述部位。有時這些記號只出現幾秒鐘,有時也可能不幸在怎個電影中出現,而且有時會很大。根據使用的設備,SCREENER的品質可能是極好,如果是從原版拷貝;也可能很差,如果是從翻錄的拷貝錄製,同時又使用很爛的捕捉設備和錄像機。大多數的SCREENER被轉製成VCD,現在也出現了SVCD;有些看起來比
另一些好。


DVD-SCREENER (DVDscr) -
Same premise as a screener, but transferred off a DVD. Usually letterbox , but without the extras that a DVD retail would contain. The ticker is not usually in the black bars, and will disrupt the viewing. If the ripper has any skill, a DVDscr should be very good. Usually transferred to SVCD or DivX/XviD.

DVD-SCREENER(DVDscr)和SCREENER相似,但是從DVD轉制。通常是1.85:1寬銀幕,但是不包括零售版會有的花絮。TICKER經常不在黑邊裡,所以會影響觀看。如果轉制者稍有技術,DVDScr應該很好。通常被轉製成SVCD或DivX/XviD。


DVDRip -
A copy of the final released DVD. If possible this is released PRE retail (for example, Star Wars episode 2) again, should be excellent quality. DVDrips are released in SVCD and DivX/XviD.

DVDRip是從最終版的DVD轉制。如果可能,應該是使用預售版(比如,星球大戰2)。品質應該很好。通常被發佈成SVCD或DivX/XviD


VHSRip -
Transferred off a retail VHS, mainly skating/sports videos and XXX releases.

VHSRip是從零售版VHS錄像帶轉制,主要是滑冰/體育內容和XXX發佈。


TVRip -
TV episode that is either from Network (capped using digital cable/satellite boxes are preferable) or PRE-AIR from satellite feeds sending the program around to networks a few days earlier (do not contain "dogs" but sometimes have flickers etc) Some programs such as WWF Raw Is War contain extra parts, and the "dark matches" and camera/commentary tests are included on the rips. PDTV is capped from a digital TV PCI card, generally giving the best results, and groups tend to release in SVCD for these. VCD/SVCD/DivX/XviD rips are all supported by the TV scene.

從電視(最好是從數位有線電視/衛星電視捕捉)轉制的電視劇,或接收由衛星提前幾天向電視網傳送的預播節目(不包含加密但有時有雪花)。有些節目,比如WWF RAW IS WAR包含多餘的部分;"DARK MATCHES"和CAMERA/CO女朋友ENTARY測試被包含在TVRip裡。PDTV是從PCI數位電視卡捕捉,通常效果最好;破解組織傾向於使用SVCD來發佈。VCD/SVCD/DivX/XviD rips也都被用於發佈TVRip。


WORKPRINT (WP) -
A workprint is a copy of the film that has not been finished. It can be missing scenes, music, and quality can range from excellent to very poor. Some WPs are very different from the final print (Men In Black is missing all the aliens, and has actors in their places) and others can contain extra scenes (Jay and Silent Bob) . WPs can be nice additions to the collection once a good quality final has been obtained.

WORKPRITN (WP)是從未完成的電影拷貝轉制而成,可能會缺失鏡頭和音樂。品質可能從最好到很差。有些WP可能和最終版本相差很遠。(MEN IN BLACK的WP丟失了所有的外星人,代之以演員);另一些則包括多餘的鏡頭(Jay and Silent Bob). WPs可以作為有了好品質的最終版本後的附加收藏。


DivX Re-Enc -
A DivX re-enc is a film that has been taken from its original VCD source, and re-encoded into a small DivX file. Most commonly found on file sharers, these are usually labeled something like Film.Name.Group(1of2) etc. Common groups are SMR and TND. These aren't really worth downloading, unless you're that unsure about a film u only want a 200mb copy of it. Generally avoid.

DivXRe-Enc是從原始VCD發佈用DivX編碼成的小一些的文件。通常可在文件共享網路找到。它們通常以Film.Name.Group(1of2)等形式命名。一般的發佈組織有SMR和TND。這些版本通常不值得下載,除非你不清楚某部電影,只想要200MB的版本。一般應避免。


Watermarks -
A lot of films come from Asian Silvers/PDVD (see below) and these are tagged by the people responsible. Usually with a letter/initials or a little logo, generally in one of the corners. Most famous are the "Z" "A" and "Globe" watermarks.

很多從Asian Silvers/PDVD (參看下面)來的電影帶有製作人的標記。通常是一個字母,名字縮寫或圖示,位於螢幕一角。最有名的是"Z","A"和"Globe".


Asian Silvers / PDVD -
These are films put out by eastern bootleggers, and these are usually bought by some groups to put out as their own. Silvers are very cheap and easily available in a lot of countries, and its easy to put out a release, which is why there are so many in the scene at the moment, mainly from smaller groups who don't last more than a few releases. PDVDs are the same thing pressed onto a DVD. They have removable subtitles, and the quality is usually better than the silvers. These are ripped like a normal DVD, but usually released as VCD.

Asian Silvers / PDVD是亞洲盜版商發行影片的,通常被一些發佈組織購買來當做他們自己的發佈。Silvers很便宜,在很多國家都很容易找到。發佈Silvers很容易,所以現在有很多發佈,主要是由一些小的組織發佈;這些組織通常發佈幾個RELEASE後就不見了。PDVD和Silver一樣,不過是壓在DVD上。PDVD通常有外掛字幕,品質也比Silver好。PDVD象普通的DVD一樣轉制,但通常用VCD的格式發佈。

Scene Tags
發佈文件的標誌

PROPER -
Due to scene rules, whoever releases the first Telesync has won that race (for example). But if the quality of that release is fairly poor, if another group has another telesync (or the same source in higher quality) then the tag PROPER is added to the folder to avoid being duped. PROPER is the most subjective tag in the scene, and a lot of people will generally argue whether the PROPER is better than the original release. A lot of groups release PROPERS just out of desperation due to losing the race. A reason for the PROPER should always be included in the NFO.

根據發佈規則,最先發佈Telesync (TS)的組織贏得(TS發佈的)比賽。但是,如果這個發佈版本品質很差,同時另一組織有另一TS版本(或品質更好的同一片源),那麼標記PROPER被加到目錄上以避免重複。PROPER是一個最主觀的標記,很多人會爭論是否PROPER比原始發佈版本好。很多發佈組織只不過因為輸掉了發佈比賽而發佈PROPER。發佈PROPER的原因因該總是包含在NFO文件裡。


SUBBED -
In the case of a VCD, if a release is subbed, it usually means it has hard encoded subtitles burnt throughout the movie. These are generally in malaysian/chinese/thai etc, and sometimes there are two different languages, which can take up quite a large amount of the screen. SVCD supports switch able subtitles, so some DVDRips are released with switch able subs. This will be mentioned in the NFO file if included.

對於VCD發佈而言,SUBBED通常表示字幕被壓進了電影。它們通常是馬來語/中文/泰文等,有時有兩種語言。它們可能佔據了很大一部分螢幕。SVCD支持外掛字幕,所以DVDRip用外掛字幕發佈。這些信息可以在NFO文件中找到。


UNSUBBED -
When a film has had a subbed release in the past, an Unsubbed release may be released

當一部電影曾經發佈過有字幕的SUBBED版本,沒字幕的UNSUBBED版本也可能發佈。

LIMITED -
A limited movie means it has had a limited theater run, generally opening in less than 250 theaters, generally smaller films (such as art house films) are released as limited.

LIMITED電影指該電影只在有限的電影院放映,通常少於250家。通常較小的電影(比如藝術電影)的發行是LIMETED。


INTERNAL -
An internal release is done for several reasons. Classic DVD groups do a lot of .INTERNAL. releases, as they wont be dupe'd on it. Also lower quality theater rips are done INTERNAL so not to lower the reputation of the group, or due to the amount of rips done already. An INTERNAL release is available as normal on the groups affiliate sites, but they can't be traded to other sites without request from the site ops. Some INTERNAL releases still trickle down to IRC/Newsgroups, it usually depends on the title and the popularity. Earlier in the year people referred to Centropy going "internal". This meant the group were only releasing the movies to their members and site ops. This is in a different context to the usual definition.

INTERNAL發佈有幾個原因。傳統的DVD組織有很多.INTERNAL.發佈版本,這樣不會引起混淆。同時,低品質的發佈會加以INTERNAL標記,這樣不會降低發佈組織的聲譽,或由於已經發佈的數量。INTERNAL發佈可以正常的在組織的會員網站上獲取,但沒有其他網站管理員的要求它們不可以被交換到其他網站。一些TERNAL發佈仍然流到IRC/NEWSGROUP,這通常取決於電影及其流行度。今年早些時候,人們把CENTROPY做為INTERNAL。這表示發佈組織只向其會員和網站管理員發佈。這和其通常意思不同。


STV -
Straight To Video. Was never released in theaters, and therefore a lot of sites do not allow these.

STV表示電影從未在電影院放映過就被發佈,因此很多望網站不允許STV。


ASPECT RATIO TAGS -
These are *WS* for widescreen (letterbox) and *FS* for Fullscreen.

*ws*表示寬銀幕,*FS*表示全螢幕幕。


RECODE -
A recode is a previously released version, usually filtered through TMPGenc to remove subtitles, fix color etc. Whilst they can look better, its not looked upon highly as groups are expected to obtain their own sources.

RECODE是以前已經發佈過的版本,通常用TMPGenc編碼過濾以去除字幕,糾正顏色等。雖然它們看起來好一些,但通常不認為這是好的行為因為發佈組織應該去找他們自己的片源。


REPACK -
If a group releases a bad rip, they will release a Repack which will fix the problems.

如果發佈組織發佈了一個壞的版本,他們會發佈REPACK來解決這些問題。


NUKED -
A film can be nuked for various reasons. Individual sites will nuke for breaking their rules (such as "No Telesyncs") but if the film has something extremely wrong with it (no soundtrack for 20mins, CD2 is incorrect film/game etc) then a global nuke will occur, and people trading it across sites will lose their credits. Nuked films can still reach other sources such as p2p/usenet, but its a good idea to check why it was nuked first in case. If a group realise there is something wrong, they can request a nuke.

一個發佈可能因為多種原因被NUKE掉。有些網站會因為違犯他們的規則而NUKE發佈(比如不允許發佈TS版本)。但如果發佈的版本有很大的問題(如20分鐘沒有聲音,CD2是錯誤的電影或遊戲),那麼所有的網站都會NUKE這個發佈。在這些網站上交換NUKED版本的人會失掉他們的信譽。但NUKED發佈仍然可以通過端對端/USENET傳播,所以應該總是首先找到其被NUKE的原因以防萬一。如果發佈組織發覺他們的發佈有問題,他們可以要求NUKE。

NUKE REASONS :: this is a list of common reasons a film can be nuked for (generally DVDRip)
一般的NUKE原因(通常是DVDRIP):

** BAD A/R ** :: bad aspect ratio, ie people appear too fat/thin
錯誤的高寬比,即畫面太胖或太瘦。
** BAD IVTC ** :: bad inverse telecine. process of converting framerates was incorrect.
錯誤的反轉電視電影TC。轉換禎頻不對。
** INTERLACED ** :: black lines on movement as the field order is incorrect.
移動的黑線,由於field order不正確。

DUPE -
Dupe is quite simply, if something exists already, then theres no reason for it to exist again without proper reason.

DUPE很簡單。如果某個電影發佈已有,那麼沒有合適的理由就不因該允許它的存在。


另外大家應該注意的是,樓主的發貼內容針對的是0day的MovieZ

國內很多小組的rls是上不了TS的,也就基本上不遵循那個規律

比如DVDRip的rls時間,有的幾乎和電影同時,因為DVD同步發行。。。

有些又同一部片子不停的rls,炒飯吧

另外,國內小組做的大陸開發片子,是沒有scr的。因為咱們國家沒有這個制度吧

下面是我發在另外一個論壇的一個簡介,大家看看


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最後是一點小常識。就是下載的DVDRip的檔案名的學問。
通常我們下載的正規的DVDRip文件,都有很長很怪的名字,這個名字是有規律的,
讀懂他,很重要,至少他可以告訴你文件的基本內容。
下面以不同版本的指環王2的DVDRip來說明:
2003-01-09 The.Lord.Of.The.Rings.The.Two.Towers.DVDScr.XViD-ViTE
2003-01-09 The.Lord.Of.The.Rings.The.Two.Towers.DVDScr.SYNCFIX-FIXRUS
2003-01-10The.Lord.Of.The.Rings.The.Two.Towers.AC3.iNTERNAL.DVDscr.DivX-PosTX
2003-01-10The.Lord.of.the.Rings.The.Two.Towers.AC3.DVDScr.XViD.INTERNAL-ViTE
2003-05-01 The.Lord.Of.The.Rings.The.Two.Towers.DVDRiP.XviD-DEiTY

看上去很麻煩,但是是有規律的。

最前面的是DVDRip的rls日期,2003-01-09
第二位的是影片的名字:The.Lord.Of.The.Rings.The.Two.Towers.
後面是影片的性質:DVDScr代表是Screener,就是用來評獎或者宣傳的DVD樣碟。
畫質一般同正經的DVD沒有區別,只是在影片畫面上有不可消去的版權資訊。
(目前影業公司又出了新的防止Scr外流的方法,就是樣片的DVD做成一段彩色,一段黑白
的效果,讓人即使盜了,也看不通快,比如幽靈船和西蒙尼)

再後面是DVDRip的編碼方式,用什麼軟體壓制而成。XviD,DivX,播放時需要安裝相應的解碼器。

最後是製作小組的名字:PosTX、ViTE、FIXRUS…………等等

另外, iNTERNAL標記是指製作的時候為了得到更好的品質或者效果,沒有按照TDX標準製作的DVDRip,一般此類的DVDRip效果較好。
AC3標記是指此DVDRip使用了AC3的音軌,需要安裝AC3解碼器。(同樣還有DTS的、Ogg的)

例如:The.Animatrix.DVDRip.XViD-DVL
是指,由DVL小組用XVid編碼軟體製作的駭客帝國動畫版的DVDRip(非Scr)

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另外捎帶說說目前很流行的TVRip

一般的綜藝TVRip都是普通的模擬電視+衛星天線接收到的。清晰度一般吧。

我主要說說最近alias和24等等節目的DTV Rip

DTV就是數字電視,而DTV又分為四個等級:

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  HDTV       EDTV      SDTV      PDTV
高清晰度數字電視 增強型數字電視 標準清晰度數字電視 普及型數字電視

 電影級圖像  比DVD略高的圖像   DVD級圖像   VCD級圖像
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HDTV和 PDTV在清晰度上,還是有很大區別的

internal是不符合TDX規則或是dupe,其中有一些是group內的request,一些是自己做著玩還有一些是那組織認為依照TDX無法做到滿意的品質,比如其中bitrate限制和codec限制
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