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舊 2008-11-06, 11:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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畢竟我們不是美國人,沒那麼興奮
反正選上馬侃是全世界倒楣,選上歐巴馬是美國倒楣,然後牽連世界
不過我本人是比較欣賞歐巴馬的,因為馬侃的副手裴琳很令我生厭,同樣是女人,希拉蕊就沒那麼尖酸刻薄
史上第一位黑人總統的誕生,與其說是美式民主的榮光,不如說是布希政府的恐怖主義令美國元氣大傷,帶衰馬侃。五十年後,喬治布希家族誠然是世界級的戰爭製造者與罪犯,現在也許榮華富貴,歷史卻不會犯失憶症
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這次美國選舉,也因布希執政8年做得太爛,加上金融風暴,不管希拉蕊或歐巴馬該是穩定當選

不過有點可惜,個人認為希拉蕊會比歐巴馬好,歐太年青從政歷練也只有不到兩年的參議員資歷,當年柯林頓好歹也幹過州長,有行政管理經驗,現在就看歐巴馬有沒有哪個天分!

身為世界強國的未來領袖,至少他學會了一件事,早早了解其他國家的政情,他該知道亞洲等國包括我們,才會在選前說出上台不會馬上好需要時間慢慢來之類的話,顯然在打預防針!
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這次美國選舉,也因布希執政8年做得太爛,加上金融風暴,不管希拉蕊或歐巴馬該是穩定當選

不過有點可惜,個人認為希拉蕊會比歐巴馬好,歐太年青從政歷練也只有不到兩年的參議員資歷,當年柯林頓好歹也幹過州長,有行政管理經驗,現在就看歐巴馬有沒有哪個天分!

身為世界強國的未來領袖,至少他學會了一件事,早早瞭解其他國家的政情,他該知道亞洲等國包括我們,才會在選前說出上台不會馬上好需要時間慢慢來之類的話,顯然在打預防針!
我覺得巴老大您犯了重蹈覆轍的迷思唷,歐巴馬沒有經驗就一定會做的爛?那馬團隊哪裡沒有經驗了?蕭萬長還不夠有經驗嗎?
我個人的意見是,經驗不代表一切。歐巴馬競選時說的是Yes we can 又不是 Yes I can,就算他無法振衰起弊也不會被責難,他要做的只有終止無謂的戰爭,這就足以挽救美國大部分人了,要不是為了一場沒有希望沒有正義沒有是非的戰爭,美國國力不致短期內衰微至此,甚至得跟北韓妥協。終止戰爭,美國才有人力走回正常的日常,不會虛耗在不確定的異邦,不會白白犧牲根本不必犧牲的士兵
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以 歐巴馬 與 馬英九 甚至 南韓總統的相似情況
個人是不看好美國能 馬上漸漸好的

話說回來
歐巴馬 與 馬英九 雷同度有夠相似的說
.獲得演藝圈絕大多數支持
.當選前不久都失去至親
.得票率 與 投票率 都是歷來數一數二
.一位是菲裔 一位是香港出生...
.都是政治形象明星
.都有 前一任總統拖累對手...
.都得承當 上一任之天文數字的國債

所以從
南韓總統 與 馬英九 之情況
個人不看好美國的說
(唯一的變數是 災難的2008快過去了...)
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以 歐巴馬 與 馬英九 甚至 南韓總統的相似情況
個人是不看好美國能 馬上漸漸好的

話說回來
歐巴馬 與 馬英九 雷同度有夠相似的說
.獲得演藝圈絕大多數支持
.當選前不久都失去至親
.得票率 與 投票率 都是歷來數一數二
.一位是菲裔 一位是香港出生...
.都是政治形象明星
.都有 前一任總統拖累對手...
.都得承當 上一任之天文數字的國債

所以從
南韓總統 與 馬英九 之情況
個人不看好美國的說
(唯一的變數是 災難的2008快過去了...)
我個人的意見是,他光是中止美國在伊拉克的白痴大作戰,就已經很夠了
就同馬政府的立場,光是徹底嚴辦貪瀆不法,就能振奮人心。可惜小馬爺爺沒能力『徹底』辦下去,全世界都看的出來他肯定會留個爛尾巴
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我覺得巴老大您犯了重蹈覆轍的迷思唷,歐巴馬沒有經驗就一定會做的爛?那馬團隊哪裡沒有經驗了?蕭萬長還不夠有經驗嗎?
我個人的意見是,經驗不代表一切。歐巴馬競選時說的是Yes we can 又不是 Yes I can,就算他無法振衰起弊也不會被責難,他要做的只有終止無謂的戰爭,這就足以挽救美國大部分人了,要不是為了一場沒有希望沒有正義沒有是非的戰爭,美國國力不致短期內衰微至此,甚至得跟北韓妥協。終止戰爭,美國才有人力走回正常的日常,不會虛耗在不確定的異邦,不會白白犧牲根本不必犧牲的士兵
我沒有犯了重蹈覆轍的迷思,我強調是有經驗會比較好,並沒有說過歐巴馬一定做不好,企業招募主管也是基於這個原則並沒有什麼不對

報導歐巴馬內閣會大量用克林頓時代的班底,除了他自己是政治新鮮人,顯示經驗還是滿重要的,馬政府是特例因此很難拿來跟歐巴的的情況比,加上美國的法治制度比我方完善,也沒有一個亂七八糟的在野黨來攪局,情勢肯定不會比馬政府糟

過去蔣經國時代培養人才不是只靠經驗,還得看他的"歷練",能當上財經內閣一員大都要在國營企業當主管"且表現優異",不過最重要的是主事者的魄力眼光決斷能力夠強,不然兵強將弱也是很難打仗!
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過去蔣經國時代培養人才不是只靠經驗,還得看他的"歷練",能當上財經內閣一員大都要在國營企業當主管"且表現優異",不過最重要的是主事者的魄力眼光決斷能力夠強,不然兵強將弱也是很難打仗!
民主時代..政黨輪替下
小蔣那套方法已很難實現了
總統當選後必定要酬庸那些支持的助手
要那些人有經歷又有資歷..已是緣木求魚般的難呀!!

除非國民黨能永遠執政..才可能在政務官中長期培養人才
扁馬上任都是發生人才斷層的現象
小蔣的那套已不合現在的局勢狀況了
以後還會更嚴重的出現問題吧!!!
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五十年後,喬治布希家族誠然是世界級的戰爭製造者與罪犯,現在也許榮華富貴,歷史卻不會犯失憶症
以前我也很厭惡戰爭
但現在改觀了
沒有戰爭的世界比有戰爭的世界更可怕

戰爭的可怕是短暫的....沒戰爭的可怕是長期的

50多年沒有大的戰爭
世界被摧殘到比戰爭還可怕
戰爭帶來的也許是國家或家庭的覆滅
但沒戰爭卻帶來的是全世界的覆滅

人口暴增過大...資源消耗過快
連大氣層都要破滅了
那不只是人類滅亡..甚至連動植物都要滅絕

現在已可清楚的看見自然界的轉變
這種轉變會越來越快

也許戰爭是最快速的解決方式吧!!!
雖然很不好...總比萬物都毀滅來的好
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不知道怎麼講

總覺得選前美國那些真正的有錢人

不是很喜歡歐八碼

特別有幾天股市行情都很弔詭
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滿有趣的
想知道他的演講,所以就去找了一下
可以學英文說

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Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Dick Durbin. You make us all proud.

On behalf of the great state of Illinois, crossroads of a nation, Land of Lincoln, let me express my deepest gratitude for the privilege of addressing this convention.

Tonight is a particular honor for me because, let’s face it, my presence on this stage is pretty unlikely. My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father -- my grandfather -- was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.

But my grandfather had larger dreams for his son. Through hard work and perseverance my father got a scholarship to study in a magical place, America, that shone as a beacon of freedom and opportunity to so many who had come before.

While studying here, my father met my mother. She was born in a town on the other side of the world, in Kansas. Her father worked on oil rigs and farms through most of the Depression. The day after Pearl Harbor my grandfather signed up for duty; joined Patton’s army, marched across Europe. Back home, my grandmother raised a baby and went to work on a bomber assembly line. After the war, they studied on the G.I. Bill, bought a house through F.H.A., and later moved west all the way to Hawaii in search of opportunity.

And they, too, had big dreams for their daughter. A common dream, born of two continents.

My parents shared not only an improbable love, they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation. They would give me an African name, Barack, or ”blessed,” believing that in a tolerant America your name is no barrier to success. They imagined -- They imagined me going to the best schools in the land, even though they weren’t rich, because in a generous America you don’t have to be rich to achieve your potential.

They're both passed away now. And yet, I know that on this night they look down on me with great pride.

They stand here -- And I stand here today, grateful for the diversity of my heritage, aware that my parents’ dreams live on in my two precious daughters. I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that, in no other country on earth, is my story even possible.

Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our Nation -- not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy. Our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That is the true genius of America, a faith -- a faith in simple dreams, an insistence on small miracles; that we can tuck in our children at night and know that they are fed and clothed and safe from harm; that we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door; that we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe; that we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will be counted -- at least most of the time.

This year, in this election we are called to reaffirm our values and our commitments, to hold them against a hard reality and see how we're measuring up to the legacy of our forbearers and the promise of future generations.

And fellow Americans, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, I say to you tonight: We have more work to do -- more work to do for the workers I met in Galesburg, Illinois, who are losing their union jobs at the Maytag plant that’s moving to Mexico, and now are having to compete with their own children for jobs that pay seven bucks an hour; more to do for the father that I met who was losing his job and choking back the tears, wondering how he would pay 4500 dollars a month for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits that he counted on; more to do for the young woman in East St. Louis, and thousands more like her, who has the grades, has the drive, has the will, but doesn’t have the money to go to college.

Now, don’t get me wrong. The people I meet -- in small towns and big cities, in diners and office parks -- they don’t expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead, and they want to. Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don’t want their tax money wasted, by a welfare agency or by the Pentagon. Go in -- Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can’t teach our kids to learn; they know that parents have to teach, that children can’t achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white. They know those things.

People don’t expect -- People don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a slight change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all.

They know we can do better. And they want that choice.

In this election, we offer that choice. Our Party has chosen a man to lead us who embodies the best this country has to offer. And that man is John Kerry.

John Kerry understands the ideals of community, faith, and service because they’ve defined his life. From his heroic service to Vietnam, to his years as a prosecutor and lieutenant governor, through two decades in the United States Senate, he's devoted himself to this country. Again and again, we’ve seen him make tough choices when easier ones were available.

His values and his record affirm what is best in us. John Kerry believes in an America where hard work is rewarded; so instead of offering tax breaks to companies shipping jobs overseas, he offers them to companies creating jobs here at home.

John Kerry believes in an America where all Americans can afford the same health coverage our politicians in Washington have for themselves.

John Kerry believes in energy independence, so we aren’t held hostage to the profits of oil companies, or the sabotage of foreign oil fields.

John Kerry believes in the Constitutional freedoms that have made our country the envy of the world, and he will never sacrifice our basic liberties, nor use faith as a wedge to divide us.

And John Kerry believes that in a dangerous world war must be an option sometimes, but it should never be the first option.

You know, a while back -- awhile back I met a young man named Shamus in a V.F.W. Hall in East Moline, Illinois. He was a good-looking kid -- six two, six three, clear eyed, with an easy smile. He told me he’d joined the Marines and was heading to Iraq the following week. And as I listened to him explain why he’d enlisted, the absolute faith he had in our country and its leaders, his devotion to duty and service, I thought this young man was all that any of us might ever hope for in a child.

But then I asked myself, "Are we serving Shamus as well as he is serving us?"

I thought of the 900 men and women -- sons and daughters, husbands and wives, friends and neighbors, who won’t be returning to their own hometowns. I thought of the families I’ve met who were struggling to get by without a loved one’s full income, or whose loved ones had returned with a limb missing or nerves shattered, but still lacked long-term health benefits because they were Reservists.

When we send our young men and women into harm’s way, we have a solemn obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they’re going, to care for their families while they’re gone, to tend to the soldiers upon their return, and to never ever go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world.

Now -- Now let me be clear. Let me be clear. We have real enemies in the world. These enemies must be found. They must be pursued. And they must be defeated. John Kerry knows this. And just as Lieutenant Kerry did not hesitate to risk his life to protect the men who served with him in Vietnam, President Kerry will not hesitate one moment to use our military might to keep America safe and secure.

John Kerry believes in America. And he knows that it’s not enough for just some of us to prosper -- for alongside our famous individualism, there’s another ingredient in the American saga, a belief that we’re all connected as one people. If there is a child on the south side of Chicago who can’t read, that matters to me, even if it’s not my child. If there is a senior citizen somewhere who can’t pay for their prescription drugs, and having to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it’s not my grandparent. If there’s an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.

It is that fundamental belief -- It is that fundamental belief: I am my brother’s keeper. I am my sister’s keeper that makes this country work. It’s what allows us to pursue our individual dreams and yet still come together as one American family.

E pluribus unum: "Out of many, one."

Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us -- the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of "anything goes." Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America -- there’s the United States of America.

The pundits, the pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an "awesome God" in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

In the end -- In the end -- In the end, that’s what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or do we participate in a politics of hope?

John Kerry calls on us to hope. John Edwards calls on us to hope.

I’m not talking about blind optimism here -- the almost willful ignorance that thinks unemployment will go away if we just don’t think about it, or the health care crisis will solve itself if we just ignore it. That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about something more substantial. It’s the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs; the hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores; the hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta; the hope of a millworker’s son who dares to defy the odds; the hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too.

Hope -- Hope in the face of difficulty. Hope in the face of uncertainty. The audacity of hope!

In the end, that is God’s greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation. A belief in things not seen. A belief that there are better days ahead.

I believe that we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity.

I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair.

I believe that we have a righteous wind at our backs and that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices, and meet the challenges that face us.

America! Tonight, if you feel the same energy that I do, if you feel the same urgency that I do, if you feel the same passion that I do, if you feel the same hopefulness that I do -- if we do what we must do, then I have no doubt that all across the country, from Florida to Oregon, from Washington to Maine, the people will rise up in November, and John Kerry will be sworn in as President, and John Edwards will be sworn in as Vice President, and this country will reclaim its promise, and out of this long political darkness a brighter day will come.

Thank you very much everybody. God bless you. Thank you.
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以前我也很厭惡戰爭
但現在改觀了
沒有戰爭的世界比有戰爭的世界更可怕

戰爭的可怕是短暫的....沒戰爭的可怕是長期的


50多年沒有大的戰爭
世界被摧殘到比戰爭還可怕
戰爭帶來的也許是國家或家庭的覆滅
但沒戰爭卻帶來的是全世界的覆滅

人口暴增過大...資源消耗過快
連大氣層都要破滅了
那不只是人類滅亡..甚至連動植物都要滅絕

現在已可清楚的看見自然界的轉變
這種轉變會越來越快

也許戰爭是最快速的解決方式吧!!!
雖然很不好...總比萬物都毀滅來的好
才怪.....鴉大你是被阿扁唸到起肖了嗎

戰爭的後遺症很長的好唄,你看中國現在還在恨日本咧
再說哪時候沒戰爭?有哪裡和平就有哪裡征戰啊你歷史不太好喔

人口暴增的明明是戰亂地區好唄?那裡的女人有選擇權說要不要生嗎?有啦,死了就不用生了

就算戰爭也一樣要消耗資源啊,消耗的量要休戰幾十年才能平衡不是嗎?自然界的轉變也是因為人類跟自然抗爭失敗啦
真的來一次大戰,又要丟核子武器嗎?像廣島原子彈一樣?那這樣叫快速解決嗎?我看是瞬間全滅吧,我不認為核子彈頭會選對象發射輻射呢

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在美國的歷史上,白人總統做好、做壞都有人要暗算,更何況是首任黑人總統。

先別太樂觀,定論難下。
所以我說嘛,選上歐巴馬是美國國內會倒楣呀,種族歧視會鬧個一兩年吧
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所以我說嘛,選上歐巴馬是美國國內會倒楣呀,種族歧視會鬧個一兩年吧
歐巴馬一旦出事,美國的種族暴動,就會永無休止,白人人口的比例越來越低了,好戲就要開鑼了。
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